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Wednesday November 20, 2002 3:31 AM

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I didn't go to Columbia. Just a note regarding your question about whether Columbia will qualify you to jump right into a real job: No decent paper will hire you without internship experience.

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I did go to Columbia - the best way to describe it is that it's journalism bootcamp. You are assigned a lot of work right from the get go and it doesn't let up for the nine months you're there. There's actually very little in the way of assigned reading. All your work will be reporting and writing.
The real educational benefit is that you'll be working with professors who were reporters and/or editors at papers like NY Newsday, NY Daily News, NY Times, Wall Street Journal. Where else can you get that kind of input?
I've also heard that you can network with all the movers and shakers who'll help you get that first job. There's some truth to that but if you don't have the clips and bust your ass while you're there, don't count on anyone helping you. And really, they shouldn't.
I know the school is wringing its hands now about its mission and whether it needs to incorporate more ethics education and theory. I chose to go there specifically because I wasn't interested in learning about mass communications and how people process information. I wanted real hands-on training. For the price they're charging, I wasn't interested in holing myself up in my room reading essays on communications theory. I wanted to go out get stories, write them, have pros edit and critique them and at the end have a clip to show to prospective employers. And that's exactly what I got.

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This is a tough question because it really depends on the individual. I broke into the newsroom through the rear door (that's another story) without finishing my sophmore year in college or taking more than two English classes. I stayed only a year because I decided to go back to school to get my degree. I ended up going to a university with a decent j-department (past its heyday but trying to make a comeback), definitely not Columbia. Some classes were a joke, others fantastic.

With less than three weeks left of school, I know I made the right decision to go back for my degree. At the newspaper, I felt insecure about my writing and it showed. Today, I feel confidence.
It worked for me.

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I am a recent graduate from a highly ranked university with degrees in English and Computer Science. For seven months I have tried extremely hard to break into the journalism industry with very little succes. I have travelled to almost every major city in the Northeast and Mid-Atlantic searching for jobs. The most common reasons for my rejections have been: too little experience, and too little education. These types of responses have prompted me to apply to graduate schools for journalism next year. I am bypassing some of the highly ranked schools in favor of schools with reasonable tuition and proximity to major urban centers. Schools on my list include Maryland, Boston, Temple, American, Syracuse, and a few others in major urban metropolitan areas. I figure that, the school is less important than the location and the opportunities present in the area. Is this a good stategy? Should I be more concerned with the reputation of the school? Considering that I know almost nothing about how journalsim functions from the inside, have little experience (except for college newspaper clippings), and no connections, is j-school worth it, or should I just keep trying to get a job?

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Sounds like you're trying to get on with a major metro. Unless you've had some amazing freelance work to show them, they're still going to want 3-5 years of experience so that they know you know the ropes. You've admitted yourself that you have little experience with the working side of journalism. Guess what, hiring editors know this without you having to tell them. If you don't want to live in a small town, try getting on with a smaller suburban paper in the area you like. I'm sure there are plenty. Beware of alt-weeklies, most big newspaper editors don't take them seriously.

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To the person who's applying to J school because he can't land a job at a newspaper:
If you're applying to school's specifically because they're in a large metro area and you thing that will help you land a job in that city, beware. It doesn't work like that.
If it did, everyone at Columbia would get a job at the NY Times immediately after they graduated. And everyone from U. of Missouri would be working at a cowtown paper after they finished. Neither is true, of course.
Aside from geography, you should consider the curriculum at the school and what its emphasis is. Columbia has always offered great hands-on experience and provided a quick education in real-world journalism. Just imagine what opportunites the students had last year when 9-11 happened. The profs sent their students down to Ground Zero and report their asses off. The result, many had great clips that 95 percent of people already in the business didn't simply because they never got the chance to cover the tragedy.
That is amazing training.
And yes reputation does mean something. Some people will not care whether you even went to grad school, but others will and will weigh what school you went to in deciding what to do with you.
Finally, there are some schools on your list I would stay away from if you really want to go into the newspaper business -- some schools really are known more for their broadcast programs than their print programs and vice versa and you have to make sure you're picking one that fits what you want to do.

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Hi, I am currently a college senior who is majoring in print media and minoring in religion. I really want to pursue religious journalism and Columbia sticks out to me because of its dual-master's program in journalism and religion. However, I am not too keen on the high sticker price, and I really don't have a strong desire to go to just any grad school. Basically, it is Columbia or nothing. I am really trying to decide whether to pursue it, whether it will be worth it or not. I have read the previous comments and I see it goes both ways. Well, this summer I will be attending a fellowship at the Poynter Instititute and I am also a finalist for a year-long rotating internship with Knight Ridder. I really want to focus on religious reporting (mainstream for next 5-8 years), ultimately ending up writing for a Christian publication, etc. Do you think Columbia would be necessary at that point?

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Hi, I know this is late in the conversation , but I'm really confused. I just got into Columbia.

I didnt read all the talk about Columbia's program not up to par, before. Now that im reading opinion after opinion, and realizing that J-school is not its cooked up to be - I'm very confused about going there. I dont know if its worth it?


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I've devoured this thread. I find it interesting that so many feel the J-degree is not necessary. I've come to the conclusion I won't get a staff position without it in today's market.

My career began as a staff reporter with a community weekly. It was great training. I had no previous reporting experience or education in journalism.

After the inevitable layoffs in the late 1990s, I found it was next to impossible to get another staff position. I fought for every freelance assignment at the four other community papers in my area. And they weren't for news - the papers only hired out for features. For three years I applied diligently for a staff position, anything - desk positions, graphics - to get a foot in the door with no success.

My references will tell you I'm a good employee and reporter, but I'm new. I have a ton of clips that show off my best work, but I feel I've hit a brick wall without that degree. I get the impression from editors that I'm not serious about a career in journalism without it.

With no other paper to approach unless I'm willing to move out of state, I'm considering attending Columbia College in Chicago or Northwestern University for that coveted piece of paper.

Have things changed in the marketplace since this thread started???

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I'm affluent, and I can afford to get a degree from the Medill School of Journalism. There is NOTHING wrong with this. Just because you are jealous of people such as me, who have had wonderful opportunities in life, it DOES NOT give you the license to criticize those who proactively puruse their dreams. I graduated at the top of my high school class, was accepted to the College at Brown University—no small feat considering Brown is an Ivy League institution that denies more than 85% of those who apply. I was also admitted to the University of Chicago, undoubtedly one of the most prestigious universities in the world. After being admitted to Northwestern's Medill, which is equally prestigious, I have continually discovered that people are always trying to bring me down. You can NEVER take my Medill degree away from me, and I will ALWAYS possess my acceptance letter signed by Michael Goldberger, Director of Brown admissions.

So you say, a journalism degree is crap. Is it? Or is it simply—out of jealously—your willingness to try and cripple people's aspirations, hopes, and dreams? I personally enjoy studying journalism, and this is why I am pursuing the degree, but NOT because it will necessarily open doors for me. However, a Medill degree will do more for a person interested in journalism than an English degree from "Third Tier Toilet USA" can ever hope to. Medill's oportunities are unprecedented.

On an unrelated note, one of the first rules in journalism is to KNOW before you SPEAK and WRITE. Clearly, many of you have failed to learn this SIMPLE rule and it scares me greatly. One of you one here has posted that journalism degrees are pointless, a blanket and detrimental statement that is clearly WRONG! If you knew ANYTHING about MEDILL's curriculum, you would know of what I am speaking. Medill requires a LIBERAL ARTS curriculum IN CONJUNCTION with the journalism major which accounts for LESS THAN 25% of the undergraduate component. I have pursued a double major at the Medill School, making me more MARKETABLE than someone from a shitty third tier school who pursues only one major. Please, save me the melodrama. Do NOT try to tell me that someone with only an English degree is as marketable as someone who has both a major in journalism and English. You people need to check your facts! At Medill, mistakes such as these are automatics 'F's in editorial classes.

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I think it's great you attended Medill. Did it get you a better job than new j-grads from non-Medill schools? Because that is all that matters when it comes to dollars. What will you get for your effort besides a piece of paper signed by a hot-shot.

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No reply from Mr. Medill graduate. Silence speaks volumes.

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Oh, I'm here. And no...silence DOES NOT speak volumes.

Some people actually have jobs and have other responsiblities in life and can't sit on a message board all day typing vitriolic responses back and forth.

In answer to your question, no, I have not gotten a job yet, despite my Medill degree. Why? Because, currently, I am a junior at the Medill School, and therefore, I have not graduated and am still IN SCHOOL. I don't believe I ever said I graduated in that that previous post...it worries me when people read something and then extrapolate to completely false conclusions.

At any rate, I have full confidence that I will get a job right out of Medill. Medill's placement rate is something like 80-90% if I recall, which is truly excellent, so I'm very confident I'll be getting a job right out of college. The placement office is really great with connecting alumni and creating excellent contacts for students who need jobs. I have done an internship which is a great thing to put on my resume. All students at the Medill school are required to do a for-credit internship, so, no, it's not all classroom work. As I say, maybe you people should educate yourself on Medill before blanketly bringing it down.

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Oh, and one more thing I forgot to add in that previous post.

In response to whomever was saying that my degree is nothing more than a piece of paper signed by a hot shot: you are completely wrong!

My degree, while prestigious, is something I will pride myself on, because of the work it has taken me to get there. The degree DOES NOT drop into your lap, and as such, you have to work your ass off to graduate and do okay. In addition, you have to work your hardest even to gain admittance to the school. So for me, it's about work ethic. It's taught me to work hard, and this has been great. Finally, I think that the knowledge I will take away from Northwestern as a whole will be truly excellent—not just in journalism. Journalism, in fact, was a small part of my degree. The rest of my coursework was in other areas, and this is what really attracted me to the Medill school in the first place.

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Monday April 21, 2003 11:27 AM

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Well, c'mon by when you get into the real world and can contribute in a positive way to this discussion. Inquiring minds want to know the great job you will land with your Medill degree compared to grads from the *lowly* insititutions out there. I hope you get a good one with that enormous student loan to pay off.

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I wondered why the Medill person was so insecure and defensive. His or her being a student explains it. If I were a student and saw posts saying that J-school was a waste of time, that would worry me greatly. I'd think, "Am I wasting my time? Are these posters right?!"

Oh, the horror.

J-school or not, being a good reporter depends on oneself, not whatever institution you went to. I'd like to note that Peter Baker, who helps cover the Iraq war for the Washington Post and is one of the paper's top reporters, never even graduated from college.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

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Insecure? Hardly.

I just find your post extremely shortsighted and for that matter RIDICULOUS.

Why do you think I chose the Medill School over Brown University and The University of Chicago? If I had wanted to get an A.B., I would have matriculated at the aforementioned schools. Instead I have decided to pursue the B.S.J., and Medill is the school to go for this degree. Oh, and if I were really that insecure about my degree, I could easily transfer into the Weinberg College of Arts and Sciences at Northwestern by simply filling out a form and sending to the Registrar's Office. I already have a double major in English Literature and journalism, so I fail to see where I am "wasting my time by studying journalism" but whatever...it's only too bad you people can't read. I have two majors, NOT one.

I never said you couldn't get a job at a paper by not going to college. And no, I don't have any student loans. I'm so sorry if this disappoints you. Once again, it simply highlights how jealous some of you people are.

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"I wondered why the Medill person was so insecure and defensive. His or her being a student explains it. If I were a student and saw posts saying that J-school was a waste of time, that would worry me greatly. I'd think, "Am I wasting my time? Are these posters right?!"
Oh, the horror."

Um...talk about insecure. From the aforementioned quote, it seems you are the one who is insecure NOT me. You obviously can't find anything better to do than bring down those people of whom you are jealous, and so you become critical of other people's achievements. I'm sorry you didn't go to college or didn't go to Medill, but that doesn't mean you can't get a good job, and that doesn't mean you should feel insecure about your own credentials.

The fact that you discount going to college, though, is highly disturbing, and that statement really undermines everything you have said.


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Despite a Medill education costing more than $40,000 per year (tuition is about $28,000), Medill meets 100% of financial need. Northwestern has a $3.5 billion endowment from which it awards over $100 million in free money to its students every year. If you apply and are accepted to Medill, you should know that you will get free grant money from the University which you don't have to pay back. The Medill school will make SURE that you will be able to attend. 100% of need will be met and 45% of Northwestern student receive some sort of financial aid. This ensures policy insures Northwestern's Medill school can attract the best students from around the world who have come from a variety of socioeconomic backgrounds.

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Monday April 21, 2003 5:08 PM

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Hmmmm, yet you said you were "affluent" and could afford to attend Medill, indicating you were paying out of pocket. Good for you!

Personally I don't care where you go to school, you aren't contributing to this thread at all with your put-downs of others who have a different education or none at all.

You are obviously suffering from some sort of persecution complex. No one is attacking you, just defending themselves against your insults.

See a doctor.

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